not to sound like a commie but you cannot wish for the abolition of racism, transphobia, homophobia, ableism and sexism without also wishing for the abolition of capitalism. the oppression of poc, women, disabled, nd and lgbti people are linked to the struggle of the working class and their common source is capitalism. if capitalism stays, you can never meaningfully abolish any form of oppression.
Because in communist and socialist countries people DEFINITELY are not any if those.
Oh wait. They are worse than us. I have proof. Online I have talked with 2 bulgarians, and bulgarian was a socialist country merely 30 years ago. They still are barely starting ti advocate gay rights, have no gay marriage and is absolutely normalized if not encouraged to think and talk about homosexual people in a derogatory manner. And that’s light example of a country that was socialist 30 years ago, and barely doesn’t straight up kill gay people. Not to sound like a capitalist but your statement is bullshit.
learn to read if you dont want to sound like a dumbass
@emperorofbeards youre still missing the point. how can we abolish profitable oppression without also abolishing a system driven by profit?
@emperorofbeards please google “pay gap”. look into how racism & transphobia also plays into the pay gap. search what populations make up most of prisons’ inmates. google prison unpaid labor. look at the increase of the price of insulin. i beg you, at least google slavery or the native american genocide. aren’t those profitable? dont they exploit marginalized people? can we then please conclude that oppression can be profitable? or do you need me to come to your house & explain in person that it doesnt need to be logical to be real, Mr.Ofbeards?
Wage gap is forged myth. That’s false.
Prison inmates… tell me which group commits disproportionately high amount of violent crime compared to population.
Hell let’s dive further. Why women have way smaller prison punsihments for the same crimws under same file. Why do men get in prison for longer for the same deal.
Prison unpaid labour is kind of… eh. I think they should make up for their crimes, by benefitting society.
Now the medical industry raised prizes for different reasons, and the reason behind it is nore important.
Oh you mean the genocide of native americans which were mostly killed off by diseases and plagues while way less were actually killed. Anyway the past is the past. I mean slavery was and is not really a thing in only america and not only done by one race and are not a byproduct and a concept of capitalism.
So none of your points…. really apply…
Yo, @datmoki. I don’t get your point on why you can’t get rid of bigotry and oppression without getting rid of capitalism.
I think you’re reading too much into a system that is really just “provide goods at prices that people can agree on.” That’s essentially what capitalism is. Maybe you might have a point in how capitalism is implemented or managed, but you can’t just advocate for abolishing an economic system for some perceived problem of oppression. Its too broad.
im sorry its so long & that it may sound a bit condescending. since i have no idea whats actually misunderstood, im gonna try to thoroughly explain everything at once. im also sorry for apparently “reading too much into” a system that will literally dictate my whole life but ok lol.
im not here to argue on the definition of capitalism since im not an economist. my point does depend on what definition we use tho, so lets get one right now (im using google’s dictionary for ease):
[image desc: a screenshot of the google dictionnary feature. the entry is that of “capitalism”. it reads: “an economic and political system in wich a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.”]
again, im not arguing that it is a correct definition, im arguing that based on that definition you cannot meaningfully liberate marginalized groups under capitalism. its advocating for the abolition of capitalism only if you want to abolish all forms of oppression (and the people who do is who the post was intended for)
now, since it seems i actually do need to explain what i meant by “google x” ill clarify that next. that point relies on the assumption that everyone agrees that: -in our current society, some groups of people are oppressed (even in america & western europe) and were oppressed in the past. -most of these groups are more or less: women; people of color (poc); lgbti people; disabled people
ill go over the “google x” stuff point by point:
the pay gap: it affects women, poc, lgbti & disabled people. that means that companies are able to pay those (marginalized) people less & get away with it and so make more profit.
prisons: uneducated & poor people, black & latino people, lgbti people and disabled people are over represented in american prisons (but its pretty much the same in western europe as well). prison inmates work for free or a ridiculously small wage: companies are able to get free or extremely cheap labor from those marginalized people while still having products made in the us, wich means more profits. (ill come back to the point about women being under represented in prisons later)
the price of insulin: insulin and other life-saving medications are being sold at prices subject to enormous raises (the exemple of insulin: it had a 300% price increase). the people who need those meds to stay alive are obviously disabled people. companies are able to sell their products (medication) for whatever amount they decide while still knowing itll be bought since its needed in order to stay alive, wich means more profits.
slavery andthe native american genocide: pretty straight-forward, black people were enslaved (=free work) & native american people were massacred intentionally & their land stolen (=free land that might contain gold & other ressources that can be sold at high prices), wich means more profits.
and thats not including other forms of exploitation for profit. i hope we can all conclude from this list that the oppression of some group of people can be profitable. but since oppression can be profitable, why would abolishing it be possible under a system meant for profit? thats what i mean by ”meaningfully liberate”, you might argue that its possible to abolish bigotry on an individual level (nobody says slurs anymore, everyone is treated equal in social cicles & under the law) while still under capitalism but you cannot liberate those people from the exploitation of their bosses, of the state, of pharmaceutical companies, and more generally, of the ruling class within capitalism since its precisely what is profitable, wich is to say, desirable under such system.
that brings me to a point that was part of the original post, the working class is oppressed in the same way that the groups i cited earlier are. they share their struggle with other oppressed groups and so, if you care about liberating all marginalized people, you should care about the working class as well. since thats part of the point i was making, i didnt include “the working class” or “poor people” in the oppressed groups earlier but they do belong there.
as a short conclusion of my original post: if you want to meaningfully liberate every marginalized groups you should strive to abolish capitalism both because it plays a role in the oppression of those groups & because the working class is just as oppressed as other groups and in order to liberate workers, you need to abolish their exploitation for profit (ie: capitalism).
now, on women being under represented in prisons: they are. i am not denying that. men do make up most of prisons’ population and that could be for a number of reasons, one of wich could be the infantilization of women & the sexist belief that women are somehow less capable of bad than men are that would lead to them getting lower sentences. those lower sentences are then contrasted with the higher sentences, charges and rates of carceration that black men get that then raise the overall men’s averages and so they appear especially unfair to men. this is all speculations, i haven’t specifically looked into this as it doesn’t really disproves the overall oppression of women imo. im not trying to bend reality & say “women dont actually have lower rates of carceration than men” since the difference between the two is ridiculously huge, im just trying to bring an explanation as to why that might be so that point isnt left unanswered and i dont look like im avoiding facts that i dont like lol.
and since the native american genocide was questionned, i do recommend Shaun’s video on the subject if you can handle 30min long videos, its really good and properly sourced, unlike my post: https://youtu.be/Xd_nVCWPgiA
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